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Message 2851 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 1:00:07 UTC - in response to Message 2850.  

So I have decided to double the credits. This will get it closer to the PrimeGrid credits and I think this will make most people happier. If necessary I can always put it back later.


Has the change in credits been implemented now?

Yes the credit change has been implemented
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Message 2863 - Posted: 14 Jul 2020, 4:43:40 UTC - in response to Message 2834.  

I Agree too...
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Message 2864 - Posted: 17 Jul 2020, 15:14:21 UTC
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I seem to have a much higher number for numberfields than other BOINC projects,or Science United projects[/img]
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Message 2865 - Posted: 17 Jul 2020, 15:53:03 UTC - in response to Message 2864.  

I seem to have a much higher number for numberfields than other BOINC projects,or Science United projects[/img]


I don't see that you've completed any tasks recently. Are you talking about an account under a different username?

Either way, credits may be higher than some projects, but should be less than PrimeGrid. That's the happy medium I tried to find.
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Message 2866 - Posted: 21 Jul 2020, 4:35:45 UTC

" Either way, credits may be higher than some projects, but should be less than PrimeGrid. That's the happy medium I tried to find."

Still comfortably less than PrimeGrid Eric e.g. for an nvidia gtx1660ti on Linux ...
... PrimeGrid pps-sieve around 1.3M credits per day
... NumberFields GetDecic around 46.5K credits per day

That is 28 times higher and, rightly or wrongly, that REALLY does matter to a great many people when they are deciding which project to run.

PS: I would be happy to provide you with timings to back up these figures
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Message 2867 - Posted: 21 Jul 2020, 5:34:42 UTC - in response to Message 2866.  

" Either way, credits may be higher than some projects, but should be less than PrimeGrid. That's the happy medium I tried to find."

Still comfortably less than PrimeGrid Eric e.g. for an nvidia gtx1660ti on Linux ...
... PrimeGrid pps-sieve around 1.3M credits per day
... NumberFields GetDecic around 46.5K credits per day

That is 28 times higher and, rightly or wrongly, that REALLY does matter to a great many people when they are deciding which project to run.

PS: I would be happy to provide you with timings to back up these figures


I was referring to the CPU. As you point out, you can't even compare the GPU credits.

The Numberfields GPU app is about 10x faster than the CPU app (depending on your CPU/GPU combo). A highly efficient GPU app could probably raise that to about 100x faster. That would get us much closer to the PrimeGrid GPU credits. I don't want to artificially increase the credits for the GPU just to compensate for an inefficient app - it feels like cheating. I will attempt to make the app more efficient when I find some time.
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Message 2868 - Posted: 21 Jul 2020, 7:31:57 UTC - in response to Message 2867.  

Thanks Eric, I look forward to that new GPU app as I really did enjoy running NumberFields again during the Pentathlon. Yours has always been a very well-managed project in my experience
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Message 2871 - Posted: 25 Jul 2020, 18:51:06 UTC

I finally hit 25M at Universe and switched back to NumberFields. After running NumberFields the last two days, I can attest the credits should be higher here if you want more long-term crunchers. That may or may not matter to the administrators here, but even running three decent Nvidia GPUs along with my 3 CPUs, I'm not getting close to what Universe alone was granting per day, and that was on CPU only.
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Message 2891 - Posted: 7 Oct 2020, 11:42:39 UTC

You should add redirect from https://numberfields.asu.edu/ to https://numberfields.asu.edu/NumberFields
https://numberfields.asu.edu/ only displays "It Works"
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Message 2901 - Posted: 6 Nov 2020, 16:07:25 UTC - in response to Message 2891.  

It is interesting, when we back to Search 3?
Only two searches remained there.
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Message 2902 - Posted: 6 Nov 2020, 17:33:28 UTC - in response to Message 2901.  

It is interesting, when we back to Search 3?
Only two searches remained there.


The plan is to close out column 10 in the sf7 search first. I updated this page to reflect this:
https://numberfields.asu.edu/NumberFields/batch_status_2dim.html

The final search for sf3 has a prohibitively large number of WUs (estimated to be ~20 million). I was trying to put this search off as long as possible to give me time to improve the GPU app. As it turns out, I have been working on this in my spare time over the last week. It is slow going - so far I only have about a 5% speed improvement.
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Message 2903 - Posted: 6 Nov 2020, 21:53:29 UTC - in response to Message 2902.  

5% are better than nothing :)
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Message 2904 - Posted: 7 Nov 2020, 1:19:20 UTC - in response to Message 2903.  
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5% are better than nothing :)

My thoughts exactly, great work Eric. I will be back to help as soon as I have reached a goal that requires all of my CPUs, will be late 2020 early 2021 :)
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Message 2905 - Posted: 7 Nov 2020, 4:37:07 UTC - in response to Message 2904.  

5% are better than nothing :)

My thoughts exactly, great work Eric. I will be back to help as soon as I have reached a goal that requires all of my CPUs, will be late 2020 early 2021 :)


I estimate it will take almost a year to complete sf3 at the current rate. To get a meaningful speedup I need much more than 5%.
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Message 2906 - Posted: 7 Nov 2020, 13:35:30 UTC - in response to Message 2905.  

Is it possible to make the code public available?
In other projects there were some user who made optimized apps for specific cpus which are significant faster

For example Rakesearch:
https://rake.boincfast.ru/rakesearch/forum_thread.php?id=39

Maybe some of them could help here too
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Message 2907 - Posted: 7 Nov 2020, 18:11:23 UTC - in response to Message 2906.  

Is it possible to make the code public available?
In other projects there were some user who made optimized apps for specific cpus which are significant faster

For example Rakesearch:
https://rake.boincfast.ru/rakesearch/forum_thread.php?id=39

Maybe some of them could help here too


So a fellow cruncher named Khalim helped me by uploading the code to github, but it is currently private. The plan was to make this public at some point. Once I finish my latest "improvements" and the code is in a better state, I will make it public. Khalim also helped with some testing scripts that will allow users to fine tune parameters for their specific GPU, and then these parameters can be put in a lookup table to benefit users with the same GPU.
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Message 2908 - Posted: 8 Nov 2020, 1:55:40 UTC - in response to Message 2907.  

Is it possible to make the code public available?
In other projects there were some user who made optimized apps for specific cpus which are significant faster

For example Rakesearch:
https://rake.boincfast.ru/rakesearch/forum_thread.php?id=39

Maybe some of them could help here too


So a fellow cruncher named Khalim helped me by uploading the code to github, but it is currently private. The plan was to make this public at some point. Once I finish my latest "improvements" and the code is in a better state, I will make it public. Khalim also helped with some testing scripts that will allow users to fine tune parameters for their specific GPU, and then these parameters can be put in a lookup table to benefit users with the same GPU.


Oh thats a very good news :)
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