@Serval Any updates, or should we all just kiss our work and points goodbye?
I think the chance of Gerasim recovering is no more than 5%.

Therefore, it's better to focus on using the Boinc Manager in calculations.

P.S. I assure you that Gerasim won't run away.

I think the chance of Gerasim recovering is no more than 5%.

For me, a 5% chance of recovering means that Gerasim won't recover the old data. So, what's the next plan for gerasim? There are suggestions that if you decide to restart, it should have a new project name (but still the same old gerasim objective, whatever that is), say Gerasim2025. If that's the plan, you need to let the volunteers know about your periodic data backup plan after going through this painful experience.

On the bright side, if I understand correctly, the NumberFields batch name DS16x12 work (41% completed thus far) which was hosted on Gerasim server is safe and results were already transmitted to Eric but volunteers' credit were lost.

P.S. I assure you that Gerasim won't run away.

Without any assurances that the data lost incidence won't happen again, significant volunteers will run away.

On the bright side, if I understand correctly, the NumberFields batch name DS16x12 work (41% completed thus far) which was hosted on Gerasim server is safe and results were already transmitted to Eric but volunteers' credit were lost.

I was downloading results approximately once per week, so only a week's worth of data was lost, mostly from the Formula BOINC competition that completed around the time of the Gerasim crash.

I heard there was a backup of the RAM disk, but it sounded like SerVal was having problems trying to restore it.

On the bright side, if I understand correctly, the NumberFields batch name DS16x12 work (41% completed thus far) which was hosted on Gerasim server is safe and results were already transmitted to Eric but volunteers' credit were lost.

I was downloading results approximately once per week, so only a week's worth of data was lost, mostly from the Formula BOINC competition that completed around the time of the Gerasim crash.

I heard there was a backup of the RAM disk, but it sounded like SerVal was having problems trying to restore it.

Yeah, that will happen when you don't know what you are doing.

A backup of the RAM disk was done? How old was this backup before the crash?

If this databas is significantly newer than what's currently restored. Send it to me. I will fix it.

... Ребятки, тут уж не кредиты, а Герасима спасать надо.
Задания он выдаёт только те, которые добавляю ему я (по 100 штук).
Никто их не считает и вернуть не может. :(
Разумеется, где-то моя ошибка. Пытаюсь её найти ..
* подозреваю, что это crypt_prog.exe -sign и add app version
Пoка перспективы туманные.. :(
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... Guys, it's not about credits, it's Gerasim we need to save.

He only gives out the tasks I add (100 at a time).
No one counts them and can't return them. :(

Of course, I'm at fault somewhere. I'm trying to find it...
* I suspect it's crypt_prog.exe -sign and add app version
The outlook is unclear for now... :(
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Всем привет и хорошего настроения. :)

Guys, it's not about credits, it's Gerasim we need to save.

Not about the credits? LOL, yeah okay LOL.

Nothing like kicking your volunteers in the balls with that kind of appreciation for all the work that was done with no credits now to show for it. Who wants to come back to a project with an Admin that thinks this way!

Of course, I'm at fault somewhere. I'm trying to find it

Somehwere? You ran it in a RAMDisk and didn't bother keeping daily or even weekly backups. WTF did you think was going to be the outcome?

I hope the Gerasim project gets going again.

The computers that I have that did reconnect with Gerasim did it a few times so have multiple listings, but that is all that happened.

I lost over 120 million points, I can start to regenerate those points when things start again.

I have lost millions of points on a number of other projects over the years that just failed or went away without a care for the volunteers.

SerVal at least is trying to fix things or at least get the project going again and I hope he does, there is help available for him also.

We need to focus on what data was lost so we can get that back up to date.

Points maybe recovered and that is a good thing, it is what drives a lot of people (me as well).

But I would like the project back working, then we can worry about the points.

(Just my thoughts)

Conan

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... Guys, it's not about credits, it's Gerasim we need to save.

Though we appreciate your effort to get Gerasim server back to operation, it is important to understand the spirit of BOINC volunteer computing and "rewarding" volunteers as described in this article by David Anderson et al. https://boinc.berkeley.edu/boinc_papers/credit/text.php

Quoting one pertinent sentence from the abstract of that article:

Credit has no monetary value but is an important incentive for volunteers

It's an acknowledgement for the volunteers' contribution. Taking that away or de-emphasizing the credit, in my opinion, is denigrating to the volunteers who had spent countless amount of time and money (voluntarily)
Just saying or perhaps the Russian to English translation is inaccurate or you didn't mean to write the above.

@SerVal,
It's been almost 2 weeks since you last posted a statement on the condition of the server data and a little more than 2 months since the crash.

An update would be greatly appreciated.

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There is no progress on Gerasim's website. And there won't be until we reach some explicit (or implicit) agreements.
on cooperation. Guys, without 2-3 qualified volunteers (constantly participating in the restoration).
Situations like "Come on, come on, Russian Ivan, we'll help... sometime... later..." will no longer happen.
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For All:
Here's the first suggestion:
Find a suitable place and create a topic "Gerasim Restoration" or something similar."

Without credits, badges and challenges / races very few people would spend their money on providing CPU and GPU resources plus electricity for distributed computing projects. It is essential that the admin(s) maintain a reliable project.

Everyone is used to making backups when using computers.

The old adage rings true - save early save often.

О! Сегодня у нас одни Ветераны!
Vaughan, Dr Who Fan ! Приветствуем!
:)

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There is no progress on Gerasim's website. And there won't be until we reach some explicit (or implicit) agreements.
on cooperation. Guys, without 2-3 qualified volunteers (constantly participating in the restoration).
Situations like "Come on, come on, Russian Ivan, we'll help... sometime... later..." will no longer happen.
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For All:
Here's the first suggestion:
Find a suitable place and create a topic "Gerasim Restoration" or something similar."

That's an illogical pre-condition. Its clear at this point, given the time that's passed and the defensive message to someone simply asking for an update, that the problem can't be solved. No need for smoke and mirrors

SerVal has a backup of the Gerasim databases dated 10 days prior to the crash. I downloaded the files to my linux box, installed microsoft SQL server, restored the databases, and ran dbcc to check their integrity. The databases are good. I perused some of the tables; there is a lot of data there and it all appears to be in working order.

My suggestion is to use these backups to restore the databases on the Gerasim server. This would leave us with only 10 days of lost credit. I already have the results from about 5 days prior to the crash, so it doesn't help with that.
1. I would help with this myself, but am not familiar with Microsoft databases. Maybe someone else familiar with database administration on Microsoft could help. It's a matter of getting SerVal's permission, logging in remotely, and then doing the restore.
2. I think SerVal has some backend scripts for doing various functions, and he might want to get that working first before restoring the databases. For example, I upload tasks via a zip file and the website automatically generates the work. I believe much of this is SerVal's home brew and I don't understand how it interfaces with the normal BOINC server. That makes it hard to help, not to mention the language barrier.

Hopefully this can get the discussion going...

Привет, ребятки.
Gerasim начинает подавать признаки жизни :)
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<scheduler_log>
  <user_name>www.kodeks.karelia.ru</user_name>
  <hostid>61762</hostid>
  <work_req_seconds>6</work_req_seconds>
  <nwu>0</nwu>
  <server_time>10/30/2025 12:27:52 PM</server_time>
</scheduler_log>

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Трудиться при этом категорически не хочет. :(
Ничего.. захочет ! После первого прохода Герасима по шедулеру,
от Боинк Менеджера осталось чуть менше половины..
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Всем привет и хорошего настроения ! :)

Using Google Translate:

Hey, guys.
Gerasim is starting to show signs of life.

He absolutely refuses to work. :(
Nothing... he will! After Gerasim's first pass through the scheduler,
there was just less than half of the Booink Manager left.