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Send message Joined: 8 Jul 11 Posts: 1355 Credit: 569,385,812 RAC: 761,163 |
Something similar going on in several of my Get Decics with Bounded Discriminant v3.00 WU's. The last one was showing 10:36:09 worked - not bad in itself, but only 26.233% complete, and that represented just an 0.1% increment in completion over its last 26 CPU minutes (i7-3770 @3.4GHz). ETC inflated by 63 minutes in the same time period. I normally wouldn't mind letting a WU crank for as long as it takes (I also participate in CPDN). This one I thought it best to abort because to keep it around was projecting a risk to other WUs that were waiting in the queue. Cumulative result of two other v3.00 WUs running to completion in the 25-30 CPU hr range in the last week - although some are much shorter - coupled with a lot of Decic Fields 1.02 WUs running 10-25 hrs lately. Not sure what can be done; maybe increase the due date for all WUs by some further percent until the tasks return to a more moderate part of the problem space. Thanks for pointing this one out. It sounds like a good candidate for me to do some testing on. Since it was eventually returned and validated (past the deadline), you don't need to waste the cpu cycles, unless you really want to help me test it out. |
Send message Joined: 28 Oct 11 Posts: 181 Credit: 265,111,813 RAC: 235,476 |
Thanks for pointing this one out. It sounds like a good candidate for me to do some testing on. Since it was eventually returned and validated (past the deadline), you don't need to waste the cpu cycles, unless you really want to help me test it out. Happy to let it run, and report any tests you'd like me to try. Currently at 41.653% after 123 hours 34 mins. |
Send message Joined: 28 Oct 11 Posts: 181 Credit: 265,111,813 RAC: 235,476 |
Thanks for pointing this one out. It sounds like a good candidate for me to do some testing on. Since it was eventually returned and validated (past the deadline), you don't need to waste the cpu cycles, unless you really want to help me test it out. Went out for dinner, came back. Currently at 41.757% - definitely variable speed. |
Send message Joined: 8 Jul 11 Posts: 1355 Credit: 569,385,812 RAC: 761,163 |
Thanks for pointing this one out. It sounds like a good candidate for me to do some testing on. Since it was eventually returned and validated (past the deadline), you don't need to waste the cpu cycles, unless you really want to help me test it out. Thanks for doing that. As a test, I am running it on my linux box (3.6 GHz core i7). It looks like it is almost finished and it's been about 24 hours. Longer than I'd like, but still much better than what you guys are reporting. So this seems to point to an issue with the windows version of the app. One big difference is that the windows version is 32 bits. I will continue looking into this. In the meantime, I will be curious to know if/when this ever finishes for you. |
Send message Joined: 28 Oct 11 Posts: 181 Credit: 265,111,813 RAC: 235,476 |
Thanks for pointing this one out. It sounds like a good candidate for me to do some testing on. Since it was eventually returned and validated (past the deadline), you don't need to waste the cpu cycles, unless you really want to help me test it out. It's still running, despite having to take a couple of breaks - one for a Windows BSOD (unrelated), and one for an recommended Windows update which I thought wouldn't need a reboot, but did. (Why does Windows Update need 5.2 MB, and a reboot, to change the Lithuanian currency symbol to € - when the manual instructions involve changing just that one byte? Or is there something they're not telling us?) Anyway, the task has reached 46.508% after 141 hours 45 minutes. |
Send message Joined: 8 Jul 11 Posts: 1355 Credit: 569,385,812 RAC: 761,163 |
Thanks for pointing this one out. It sounds like a good candidate for me to do some testing on. Since it was eventually returned and validated (past the deadline), you don't need to waste the cpu cycles, unless you really want to help me test it out. In case you're interested, the 64 bit linux version finished after 32 hours. |
Send message Joined: 28 Oct 11 Posts: 181 Credit: 265,111,813 RAC: 235,476 |
My long one passed even the extended 'grace period' deadline a couple of hours ago, but I'm stubborn - "I've started, so I'll finish". Currently at 75.933% progress after 215 hours. |
Send message Joined: 8 Jul 11 Posts: 1355 Credit: 569,385,812 RAC: 761,163 |
My long one passed even the extended 'grace period' deadline a couple of hours ago, but I'm stubborn - "I've started, so I'll finish". Good grief. I won't blame you if you decide to kill it. |
Send message Joined: 28 Oct 11 Posts: 181 Credit: 265,111,813 RAC: 235,476 |
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Send message Joined: 28 Oct 11 Posts: 181 Credit: 265,111,813 RAC: 235,476 |
Well, my really long one finally finished - after 336 hours. Task 10321335. Too late to validate, of course, but I was expecting that - it's the challenge, the taking part, that counts. |
Send message Joined: 8 Jul 11 Posts: 1355 Credit: 569,385,812 RAC: 761,163 |
Well, my really long one finally finished - after 336 hours. Task 10321335. Thanks Richard! I'm running the newest windows version of the app and it's currently at about the halfway point after 48 hours. Faster than yours but still much slower than the linux version. So I guess the latest pari code didn't fix the problem. |
Send message Joined: 5 Nov 11 Posts: 25 Credit: 1,452,699 RAC: 2 |
I have a wu, that makes less and less progress, the longer it runns. At36% it has already taken 45h and it is getting slower and slower.Should i abort it? |
Send message Joined: 8 Jul 11 Posts: 1355 Credit: 569,385,812 RAC: 761,163 |
I have a wu, that makes less and less progress, the longer it runns. That is not uncommon. As long as you're not past the deadline I would let it continue (remember there is a 3 day grace period after the deadline). I have also seen some WUs go fast, then slow down for a while, and then go fast again. This seemingly random behavior has been explained before in other threads, but it doesn't hurt to explain it again via an example. Let's say you have 3 outer loop iterations. If the first iteration is fast you will see the progress bar go from 0 to 33.3% relatively quickly. If the next iteration is really slow, the progress bar will then take much longer to get to 66.6%. If the final iteration is fast, the progress meter will speed up again. Anyways, it's hard to predict which loop iterations will be fast and which will be slow. If I could predict it, then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. |
Send message Joined: 8 Jul 11 Posts: 1355 Credit: 569,385,812 RAC: 761,163 |
Well, my really long one finally finished - after 336 hours. Task 10321335. I've been meaning to follow up on this thread. First, to summarize: the 64bit linux app is about 4 times faster than the corresponding 32bit windows app. The 64bit linux app is twice as fast as the 32bit linux app. These times hold for the longer running cases (>5 hours). For cases that are less than 30 minutes, there is little improvement in the time. I believe the longer running cases are spending much more time in the deeper recesses of the algorithm where it's factoring very large integers, and this is where the 64bit version will outshine the 32bit version (I will need to use a profiler to prove this). So it's apparent that a 64 bit version of windows would be helpful, at least for the longer running cases. To this end I've spent the last 2 weekends modifying the Pari library so that it would build with 64bit mingw. I now have a 64bit windows app that is giving the correct answers. I am currently running some timing tests. If these tests show the 2x improvement that I am hoping for, then I will promote this new app to the project. |
Send message Joined: 28 Oct 11 Posts: 181 Credit: 265,111,813 RAC: 235,476 |
You might want to have a look at task 10714272. Still the current version, but Windows 7/64 - stderr says *** bug in PARI/GP (Segmentation Fault), please report. *** Error in the PARI system. End of program. So I have :) |
Send message Joined: 8 Jul 11 Posts: 1355 Credit: 569,385,812 RAC: 761,163 |
You might want to have a look at task 10714272. Thanks. I think that's an old bug that seems to resurface everytime I upgrade Pari. The bug I'm thinking of was supposed to have been fixed in the latest version, so maybe this is a different one. I will have to look into it. Just an fyi...I'm still testing my newer 64bit version of Pari. The project apps work fine, but when I ran the full suite of pari tests it failed in a few spots so I'm trying to hunt down the causes of that, just in case it might impact the project apps somehow. |